Does God Go Poop? [An Analysis Of Infinite Regression]
This is great. I have to say that I’m pretty excited to write this entry. I’d recently had a debate with a guy named “Bret” on a previous entry. A Creationist debate… you know how those go. Bad logic and avoidance of the issue, etc.
You’ve all heard the argument before, the thing about a tornado making a 747 jet in a junkyard. That randomness can’t create life the way it is now. More specifically, the odds are against it happening. Yeah, this guy went there. He said the odds are against it. More specifically…
…the randomness of the universes and our existence is so great , 10,000,000,000 to the 24th, that is virtually impossible.
First of all, what do odds have to do with something that’s already happened? Bret’s not making a prediction. He’s using odds as some sort of device to deny the current state of science. My basic conclusion was…
As a final comment on this debate, as I’ve said before, odds are an estimate… a guess.
Probability cannot be used as proof of a claim – or against a claim for that matter.
If you want to say that our Universe only had a certain probability of coming into existence by natural means, that’s great. BUT, you cannot use those odds as proof against the Universe coming into existence by those means.
That would require actual evidence. And, sufficed to say, the evidence points toward a natural “popping into of existence.”
You’ve not offered any evidence. Only “odds.” That proves nothing.
Odds are not proof. They signify probability. But, that’s pretty useless when the event has already occurred. Beyond that point, it simply becomes a denial mechanism (the logical fallacy of post hoc reasoning). A way to provide intellectual cover for those who want to believe in an invisible man (God).
Now, while I’m sure Bret believes this is a valid argument, at the heart of what he’s saying is really just bad logic. The odds argument really stems from a combination of two arguments. Irreducible complexity and infinite regression.
Bret is basically saying that the Universe is too complex to have just “popped into existence.” Therefore, there must be a first cause, which I’m assuming he believes is God.
Matter couldn’t have popped into existence because it needed a jump-start from God.
And we all say… “Who made God?”
If Bret answers with, “No one made God. He just always was,” then he is being inconsistent. He claims that, logically, matter is too complex to have just “popped into existence.” Yet, a God with the ability to create matter can easily pop into existence. You can’t have it both ways.
Does God Go Poop?
Let’s start addressing this with a more simple question. Does God go poop?
A strange question, you say? I think not. Let us look at what exactly Bret (or any believer in God, for that matter) claims.
For God to “pop into existence,” he has to have certain traits which identify Him as “God.”
First, He has to have a likeness. An appearance. We read in the Bible that God made man in His likeness. So we can assume that God looks a lot like humans. That’s first off.
He has to have magical powers. This involves, I’m assuming, large amounts of some sort of energy. This is the important part. He’s not God if He can’t do magic spells.
He has to be invisible. I’m sure that takes copious amounts of energy to maintain that state of affairs.
And then, if God goes poop, He would require a digestive system and an asshole where He could dispense large amounts of Holy Shit into his toilet… this isn’t even taking into account the food that God would have to eat before Holy Shitting.
Now, I’m leaving out a great deal of other things that God would need in order to exist. I know that. Nervous system, a brain, skeletal structure, etc.
But, my point is that Bret has certainly not considered his own set of beliefs before criticizing science. Bret says the odds are against the Universe “popping into existence” by natural means.
And yet, he presupposes the belief that a (fully-formed!) God with all (and more) of the traits previously listed simply “popped into existence.” And he has the nerve to say that the odds are against my view of reality???
The Universe evolved from very simple elements such as hydrogen which were created from the intense energy release during the Big Bang. Life is simply another manifestation of that matter/energy.
Believers, on the other hand, think that a fully-formed God spontaneously just came to be one day. “Popped into existence,” as the saying goes.
To claim that a Universe which evolves from the simple to the complex is less logical than a fully-formed invisible man with magical powers just popping into existence… it’s complete nonsense. I’m not even sure you could call it “intellectual cover” for believers. It’s more like an excuse.
Then you get believers who try to reconcile science and the Bible. Or even say that they agree with one another!
What, on Earth, is the point? They’re already starting with the assumption of God popping into existence. Why start worrying about proof and logic now? Do you really need any when you start with a premise like that? When did proof become so important? It certainly isn’t important in demonstrating how God came to be.
I’m not sure, but I think the odds are against it.
Please, read a book. It’s good for you.