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An Atheist (Me) Reviews The Qur’an

Introduction

Ok, so I finally finished reading The Qur’an. It took entirely too long. Just a little over 3 weeks. I suppose the fact that The Qur’an is basically the same things said over and over again didn’t help matters. It was just plain boring. It may sound disrespectful, but it’s absolutely true. The Bible was at least much more interesting with the whole storyline and plot.

There’s no plot or storyline with The Qur’an. It sort of reminded me of a journal or a diary. As thoughts came to Mohammad, he would write them down, whether they dealt with things from a week ago, a year ago, or yesterday.

In fact, I have a translation of The Qur’an by J.M. Rodwell, and in the introduction, he states…

It was, in fact, at first not a book, but a strong living voice, a kind of wild authoritative proclamation, a series of admonitions, promises, threats and instructions addressed to turbulent and largely hostile assemblies of untutored Arabs…To speak of the Koran is, therefore, practically the same as speaking of Muhammad, and in trying to appraise the religious value of the book one is at the same time attempting to form an opinion of the prophet himself.

I must say, though, that if I were to throw my hat into the religious circle, I’d probably believe The Qur’an over the Bible.

The Qur’an VS The Bible

The Qur’an largely agrees with everything in the Bible. The Bible is even in some instances referred to as a “Luminous” book in The Qur’an. The main difference between The Qur’an and the Bible is that The Qur’an does not recognize Jesus as being equal with, or one with God. And this makes more sense from a monotheistic perspective.

The Qur’an denies the doctrine of The Trinity. And, I have to agree. God can’t be one and three at the same time. That’s called polytheism – in The Qur’an and to anyone with common sense.

Also, there is no “salvation” to speak of in The Qur’an. There is no mysterious rite of passage involving saying a certain set of words (being “Born Again”). As long as you are faithful, do good deeds and obey The Qur’an, you will get to Heaven. Again, I think this makes more sense.

The Qur’an On Its Own Merits

Now, I may have done a lot of “agreeing” in the previous section. But, that does not mean that, on the whole, I think The Qur’an is a good book. Quite the opposite. It’s just as bad, and in some cases worse, than the Bible.

First of all, women are treated as property. Take, for example, Sura 4, entitled “Women,” verses 35-38…

35 Thus, virtuous women are obedient, and preserve their trusts, such as God wishes them to be preserved.

36 And those you fear may rebel, admonish, and abandon them in their beds, and smack them.

37 If they obey you, seek no other way against them.

38 God is Highest and Mightiest.

And this is the attitude taken toward women throughout The Qur’an. How anyone could think that, were there a perfect and loving God, He would want His most beloved creation treated in this fashion? Hardly.

Slavery also plays a big part in The Qur’an. Go to this site and do a search for “slave.” Verse after verse of rules and regulations regarding the keeping and managing of slaves. Not really much different than the Bible, except that the Qur’an goes into more detail in these matters.

Aside from these two issues, The Qur’an is incredibly monotonous. Over and over again, you hear the same stories. Noah and the Ark, Abraham and Isaac, Lot, Pharaoh, etc. Old Testament stories. It would have been fine once or twice, but these stories are repeated over and over throughout the entire Qur’an. We are constantly reminded that these stories are a “remembrance,” and a “reminder” to those who believe.

One would be hard pressed to find a publisher today who would even take a second glance at The Qur’an, had it been initially published today. You can’t just write the same things over and over again and expect it to sell.

I also like the contrasts (contradictions?) in the verses of The Qur’an. For instance, a verse would talk about the horrible torment and torture that await the sinners, and then the verse ends with, “God is All-Compassionate, All-Forgiving.” It’s interesting, to say the least. He doesn’t see to be All-Forgiving. Maybe it should say Mostly-Forgiving, or A-Lot-Of-Forgiving. Not ALL-Forgiving, because He’s obviously not forgiving ALL.

On another note, how one could justify an All-Compassionate God would create an eternal place of torment for people who’ve only been alive for around 80 years… it’s flabbergasting. Maybe God is simply Somewhat-Compassionate, or Kinda-Compassionate, or even Not-Very-Compassionate.

Let’s put it this way. How is it at all compassionate or just to consciously torment a human being for anything they’ve ever done for a time that amounts to longer than they were alive??? Hitler could not have dreamed of such atrocity, such injustice. There is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise. No excuse you could throw at me that would make me think that Hell is a just punishment for anything.

Conclusion

I know this is hardly a complete critique or review of The Qur’an. But, these are only my initial impressions after reading it through once; one translation. If you’re looking for a good, thorough critique of The Qur’an, there’s a great one here.

It is very thorough and filled with a lot of useful information.

And one final thing. Everyone always talks about how martyrs are destined to have 72 virgins and whatnot… that this is the reward for dying for the cause of God. Well, this isn’t accurate. It’s actually found in Sura 78:31-36…

31 But, for the God-fearing is a blissful abode,

32 Enclosed gardens and vineyards;

33 And damsels with swelling breasts, their peers in age,

34 And a full cup:

35 There they shall hear no vain discourse nor any falsehood:

36 A recompense from thy Lord – sufficing gift!

No mention of virgins, or even dying or killing infidels. Just those who “fear God.” They get to victimize women is the afterlife just like The Qur’an allows them to do in this life. Women, if you really accept The Qur’an, realize that this is what God has in store for you throughout eternity. You are the property of a man on Earth as well as in Heaven. It’s barbaric and sick.

Anyway, that’s about all I’ve got for now. Let me know what you think.

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  1. ichabod
    Saturday March 14, 2009 at 11:58 PM

    I have friends of all faiths and atheists as well.

    Each is drawn to their own “faith”. The “faith” of an atheist is to believe that God does not exist.

    I have criticized religion and used the books and teachings of religion against itself.

    There are too many contradictions and other things in the works to be from a God.

    However, in all honesty, I see believers who are quite content with their belief in the Bible or Qur’an, and they seem to have their feet pretty well on the ground and are not fanatics or fools.

    I also know Atheists have their feet pretty well on the ground and are not fanatics or fools.

    This road of life leads many in different directions and I have followed a few.

    I dropped religion as it did not make sense to me.

    Moral laws do.

    That intrigues me.

    • Sunday March 15, 2009 at 12:22 AM

      I absolutely agree with you. I dropped religion because it didn’t make sense. And I also agree that moral laws make sense. I might not use the word “law,” but I agree that there is morality without God, or a religious book.

      I think a good analogy is with language. We all use language. And, in order to use language, there are certain rules involved – such as logic. Language wouldn’t work without logic and grammar. But, these laws weren’t “made.” These laws are inherent in the existence of language. They just are.

      This is the same with morality. When societies (people) come together, and get along, there are certain things that must happen. People can’t kill each other in order for society to survive. And this law wasn’t “made.” Society simply can’t survive without these kinds of rules. And, more importantly, God can’t make these laws.

      Society wouldn’t survive, regardless of God’s opinion on the matter.

      • Lora
        Monday October 17, 2011 at 4:35 PM

        Every single religion believes in one ultimate God and that there is a Power higher than you who provides and nourishes you.
        Atheism is a “religion” that just came up in the late 1700s (that’s very recent)… Before that, people who didn’t believe in God weren’t accepted in society and had no place in it.
        It is so logical that there is One Ultimate God and that you didn’t come out of no where (Big Bang)

        • Lora
          Monday October 17, 2011 at 4:50 PM

          I have a question: Where do you think the skies, the moon, the sun, the plants, trees, animals, and even YOU came from?
          …Just a bit curious.

          • Monday October 17, 2011 at 5:37 PM

            As far as where the things you listed came from, we only have to look at what they are made of. The skies aren’t actually a thing, in themselves. They are the expanse of space above us.

            The animals, plants and trees are constructed with DNA, and their lineage can be traced back to a single common ancestor, and I came from my parents.

            I’d be curious to know where your god came from… because that is the ultimate point you are driving at. Something can’t come from nothing… except God. You’re willing to make an exception in that case – just not in anyone else’s.

          • Lora
            Monday October 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM

            Please watch this…Only 5 minutes…

            Read the English translation… (: Please give me a feedback…

          • Big Hardon
            Saturday March 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM

            It was created by the same god who created your god and he was created by another god WHO was created by another god.
            It all makes sense.
            Who else than an almighty and merciful god would make humans with cells that Can turn into cancer.
            And an immune system
            That cant fight off a Tiny virus or bacteria.
            And off course male humans have a much higher testerone level, that cause us to commit crime and start wars far more often than women.
            It also makes a lot of sense that an almighty god would have the need to be worshipped.
            And Then simply create some to be worshipped by.

        • Monday October 17, 2011 at 5:34 PM

          Atheism is actually a lot older than what you claim. While the term “atheist” may be relatively new, not believing in a supreme power is hardly a new idea. Look back to the time of the ancient Greeks, or the writings Plato. Plato specifically mentions those who disbelieve in gods in his book “Laws,” and he was born around 428 BCE.

          So, your information is factually incorrect. We can assume that if Plato had dedicated sections of his writing to those who disbelieve, it was something which was around for a long time before, as well.

          What I’m curious to know is how you arrive at the conclusion that “it is so logical” that there is One Ultimate God. How can you demonstrate this?

          • Lora
            Monday October 17, 2011 at 9:21 PM

            Well, it is so logical that the sun, moon, skies, oceans, sand, rocks, etc wasn’t man made or caused by a natural disaster. This is beyond human power or just a big bang that occurred. The organization of the Universe (Ex Sun rising in the East, setting in the West. Day and night. etc)

            Suppose there is an equipment / machinery which no one in the world has seen before, if it’s bought in front of you, and I asked you if you were able to tell me the mechanism of the unknown object. Obviously, you’re answer would be “the manufacturer” or “the creator”.

            So how did the UNIVERSE come into existence? You’ll tell me about 30 to 40 years ago, the scientists discovered the Big Bang. But you know something, it has been mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago (about the big bang) in (Surah Anbiyaa Chapter 21 Verse 30) which states: “Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the Earth were joined together and we closed them asunder?” Who could have mentioned that?
            By the way, you didn’t answer my question. I’m really curious.

          • Lora
            Monday October 17, 2011 at 9:22 PM

            You came from your parents, but where did you’re parents come from…you’re parents’ parents…and so on?

          • arafat
            Monday December 12, 2011 at 7:31 PM

            according to quran noah’s nation was atheist

        • Thursday August 22, 2013 at 2:42 AM

          “Every single religion believes in one ultimate God”
          “Atheism is a “religion””

          You’ve contradicted yourself there.

          “Before that, people who didn’t believe in God weren’t accepted in society and had no place in it.”

          In the past most people believed in God because “God did it” was the easiest explanation for what they couldn’t explain.

          “Why’s the sky blue?” “God did it.”
          “Where did humans come from?” “God did it.”
          “How did life begin?” “God did it.”

      • Lora
        Monday October 17, 2011 at 9:39 PM

        - “If God created everything – then who created God?” According to the Quran, Allah tells us that He is The Only Creator and Sustainer of all that exists and that nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us that He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway. He calls Himself by a number of names and three of them are:
        A) The First – (Al-Awwal)
        B) The Last – (Al Akhir)
        C) The Eternal, who is sought after by His creation, while He has no need from them at all. (As-Samad)
        He always has existed and He never was created, as He is not like His creation, nor similar to it, in any way.

        - “How can you believe in God, when you can’t see, hear, touch, smell, taste or even imagine what He is?”
        We know from the teachings of Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) that no one has ever actually seen God nor are we able to use our senses to make some kind of contact with Him. However, we are encouraged in Islam to use our senses and our common sense to recognize that all of this universe could not possibly come into existence on its own. Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. That is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something that we can understand.

        We don’t have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe that Allah created everything without having to see Him (or touch, or hear, etc.).

        -Makes sense??

        • AB07
          Monday April 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM

          How can you be so sure that no one created Allah if you are NOT so sure that the universe was created by the Big Bang??

      • Lora
        Monday October 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM

        - “How do you know that the Quran is really from God?”

        Muslims have something that offers the most clear proof of all, The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times. No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) did 14 centuries ago.

      • AB07
        Monday April 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        Language did not have any inherent rules too, the main motive of language still remains even today to communicate and make somebody else understand your opinion. And the main motive of religion was same – to allow everybody to live a life of goodwill and peace but unfortunately there were many men in the past who interpreted these teachings differently and religion is seen as a different thing today.

        I won’t say I have dropped religion as every practice is a religion so I will just say that I don’t believe in the existence of almighty or God and believe in leading a nice and good life!

      • DC 10
        Thursday September 11, 2014 at 12:05 PM

        To the author – I found this interesting – You got the first part right, about the bible at least having a plot to it; However, more then that you should read about Francis Collins he headed up the Human Genome Project (mapping our DNA) – or look up/read about Antony Flew (I am sure you know about him at least)… Both were former atheists.

        Where did we come from – the complexity and mechanical nature of our DNA strand is so freakin complex regarding the precise arrangement for life – that, it is kinda silly to think that nature could not have done this over billions of years – And if you take amino acids and through them in a box over billions and billions of years and keep shaking that same box you will never-ever have a working cell wall – let alone a working cell…

        Atheism is a Faith – that you choose to believe – I guess, I am betting on things differently…

        Even Rene’ Descartes and Immanuel Kant realized that human reason could not come up with morality, it had to be created in us (built in) apriori – let alone to have morality on a larger/macro communal level – as each moral maxim would supercede’s each others… Hopefully, this line of thought was logical for you…

        • DC 10
          Thursday September 11, 2014 at 12:07 PM

          sorry meant to say “throw.”

  2. ichabod
    Sunday March 15, 2009 at 1:20 AM

    And I agree with you too.

    The only aspect about our dialogue which neither one can say with absolute 100% certainty is whether or not their is a divinity of sorts.

    I like Albert Einstein’s take on it:

    “Do you believe in God? “I’m not an atheist. I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.”

    The above quote was extracted from the following http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html

    The article is not that long but traces Einstein’s walk through the path of religion and his ultimate conclusions which you may or may not find interesting if you haven’t already read it.

  3. kay
    Sunday March 15, 2009 at 2:11 AM

    Your impressions of the Quran were interesting to read.
    I am a muslim and a woman. You had some questions–which I would like to answer–not to change your mind–but as an expression of an alternate view—how a muslim understands the Quran—But I don’t want to be pushy or inconsiderate either…..so I’ll wait for you to comment?

    • Sunday March 15, 2009 at 2:14 AM

      Not at all. I would be glad to hear your perspective. As I said, this was my first reading of The Qur’an. While there are things in it that I find absolutely abhorrent, there may be things that you could point out that I most certainly could have missed, or that I don’t understand very well. Especially in terms of how women are treated.

  4. kay
    Sunday March 15, 2009 at 8:18 AM

    Thankyou for the chance to express my views. As to things that I could point out—We might leave that for another time—I was interested in the questions you asked.

    …”how one could justify an All-Compassionate God would create an eternal place of torment for people…”

    —I have thought of this myself….

    The translations of the Quran are called “tafsir” or explanation/commentary because the bias of the translator comes through–also, some nuance gets lost. These days there are “translations” with commentary–Yusuf Ali is an example. The commentary further explains the meaning and circumstance of the revelation.

    “We” are not the bodies/form—We/self are the consciousness that inhabits the body/form. In the Quran it is called “nafs”—translated as soul. “We” are on this earth for a short period of time from birth to death. This period is a time of testing—and how we choose to spend the time determines our future destination. Achieving perfection is not the goal—it is the STRIVING for spiritual progress that counts. So we may fail sometimes—but a compassionate and merciful God gives us the chance to do better during the period we are here on earth. The concept of justice requires that people are held accountable for their actions. For example—if we murder someone—we are responsible for that action and must be held accountable. Our intentions and actions effect our soul—good actions give it strength, bad actions weaken it—”we”/soul are accountable for what we do because we have free-will. God–who is compassionate and merciful has given us guidance in the form of revelation, Prophets (biblical and non-biblical) to explain the revelation/wisdom teachings and an intellect to understand these for ourselves and to make use of them. Apart from this–we are also given “God’s breath” (ruh in arabic, ruach in Hebrew(judaism)–translated as “spirit”). This is the inherent goodness in all human beings. (In Judeo-Islamic thought—mankind is inherently good). Thus, when a person rejects “goodness” the act/intent is a rejection of all the favors a compassionate, merciful God has bestowed on us. We are accountable for our choices. The translated word “eternal” means a long (finite) period of time. In the Quran—Hell has “gates”/levels or “stations” and we/souls recieve their due according to the choices they have made. The passages of Heaven/paradise and hell are not literal.

    This post is getting longer than I intended—I wanted to answer some other questions as well—If you have any questions on this topic please ask–also—if you are serious—I can provide verses from the Quran so you can check out the above points for yourself—but if you are not very serious–I don’t want to bother with the verses.

    Regarding Woman—-
    Verse 36–”smack them”—This is a misunderstanding of the arabic word “daraba” which can mean “strike” but can also mean “to put away”/”let them go forth”.

    My translation—

    34. (partial)–Therefore the righteous women are devout (obedient) and guard (in their husband’s) absence what God would have them guard

    Comment—devout/obedient means following God’s wishes.
    “what God would have them gaurd—property, family, bussiness interests…etc
    And to those women on whose part you fear discord, admonish them (first) refuse to share their beds(next) and seperate from them (last) but if they return to accord seek not against them means of annoyance….

    35. (partial)If you fear a breach between the two, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family, and the other from hers…..

    Comment—clearly—the use of the word “seperate” fits better in the verse (34) instead of “smack” because the following verse is talking about what to do when such a seperation occurs.

    • Sunday March 15, 2009 at 11:49 AM

      Thank you for taking the time to explain these things. It certainly does shed some light upon them.

      As concerning the issue with women, it rather reminds me of the Bible, and how people use the word “Gehenna” to mean a place of eternal torment. This justifies, in their eyes, a reason to use this as a threat to those who disobey the Bible – of course, their translation of the Bible.

      A quick check of Wikipedia gives an historical description of the actual place of Gehenna…

      In ancient times, it is believed that children were sacrificed to the pagan god Molech in Gehenna, a practice that was outlawed by King Josiah (2 Kings, 23:10). Biblical commentator Rashi explains that priests would bang on drums (Hebrew: tof, tupim) (Hebrew: תופים‎) so fathers would not hear the groans of children being sacrificed. Hence the name Topheth. Fires were kept burning and the valley became the garbage dump of the city. The dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals were also thrown there.

      And because of this (intentional?) misinterpretation, many souls have been tortured in the living world contemplating such a wretched fate for the slightest of offenses. For the “unforgivable sin” found in Matthew 12:31-32:

      31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

      32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

      What it means to “speaketh against the Holy Ghost,” one can only guess.

      Aside from using the word Gehenna to mean a place of eternal torment, you’d have a tough time convincing me that the Doctrine of Hell was even scriptural at all. The Bible doesn’t teach Hell for sinners… but this is a different conversation for a different post.

      As to your larger point, this is a problem I find with God putting His Word in a book. Especially in only one language. We are left to translate. And, as I think you understand, some languages don’t have words for what other languages do.

      Take German, for example. The word Schadenfreude. There is no English equivalent. We are left with long, drawn out explanations for what it means:

      Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.

      As you say, some (most?) of the nuance and tone is lost.

      But, before this post gets too long, I want to thank you again for clearing these things up. I only wonder what the translator was thinking when he used the word “smack” instead of, as you put it, “to put away”/”let them go forth?” It seems, disturbingly, somewhat self-serving.

    • Thursday April 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

      One comment I’d like to make on this issue…

      Regarding Woman—-
      Verse 36–”smack them”—This is a misunderstanding of the arabic word “daraba” which can mean “strike” but can also mean “to put away”/”let them go forth”.

      While I understand that it’s possible to have mistranslated a word, I find it hard to see in this passage.

      I don’t think the “to put away” / “let them go” definition would fit in this context.

      35 Thus, virtuous women are obedient, and preserve their trusts, such as God wishes them to be preserved.

      36 And those you fear may rebel, admonish, and abandon them in their beds, and “put them away” / “let them go.”

      While at this point, it may seem to make sense, it doesn’t make sense in the light of verse 37…

      37 If they obey you, seek no other way against them.

      If they were “put away” or “let go,” then whether or not they obey would not be a concern. To obey is submission, which, unless I’m mistaken, is the definition of Islam.

      And again, like I said before, the problem of translation is a big problem for religion in general.

      There are vast differences between Islam and Christianity. So I don’t agree that The Qur’an is directed only to certain people. There are many times in The Qur’an where it is said that it is blasphemous to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. This seems to be a message directed toward all of the Earth’s population.

      And I think God should know that the entire Earth doesn’t speak Arabic. If this message was so important, I think it would only be right that God figured out a way to convey this message directly to everyone; why confound the issue with worries about whether or not someone translated God’s message correctly?

    • cornelius
      Friday February 26, 2010 at 1:44 PM

      kay, please see this video for an objective take on the infamous verse 4:34:

      • Monday October 17, 2011 at 5:23 PM

        Would have been curious to see this video, but it says it’s “private.”

  5. kay
    Sunday March 15, 2009 at 10:03 PM

    Self-serving passages/translations—That is another interesting point you bring up.
    Regarding gender relations—Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) did not use voilence (mild or otherwise) against women—clearly he did not understand that passage in the way later “translators” understood it. However—more than 1400 years ago–gender relations were not understood the way we understand them today and the concept of equality advocated in the Quran was “disturbing” to people who were not used to the idea.
    Another self-serving “translation” is the use or rather misuse of gendered language.(see-surah78-v31-36 from your original post) For example words such as world, or Sun, moon, or soul use the feminine gender—this is understood to be limitations of human language and is not meant to be taken literally. However–when it comes to the “companions” in paradise (your translation says “damsels”) the gender IS taken literally—by male translators. By the way—my translation does not have the “swelling breast” either—it says
    32. Gardens enclosed and grapevines
    33. Companions of equal age
    34. and a cup full (to the brim)

    Why is the Quran in arabic?—Though the message of the Quran is for all mankind—its primary purpose was as guidance to those to whom a message was not sent before.–Why? —because God had made a promise to Prophet Abraham (pbuh) that his progeny would be guided. His progeny through Isaac had many Prophets to guide them—but Prophet Abraham’s (pbuh) progeny through Ishmail did not have guidance until Prophet Muhammed(pbuh). Since this message was primarily meant as a fullfilment of that promise—it was sent in a language that would be understood by those it was meant to guide.

  6. calumog
    Sunday March 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM

    Yes. I feel that there is sometimes an appeal to the notion of absolute faith – certainly in Christianity, and it is a rather subtle thing. And dwelling on literal interpretations doesn’t serve that very well. Religiously speaking, faith is a powerfully refreshing potential within us which we normally ignore. This is what Christ meant by referring to himself as the ‘son of God’. It’s something like surrender, close to the meaning of the Greek word eros. The spiritually capable probably have more need of it than most. It is ambiguous unlike, say, Buddhism which is entirely unambiguous. Buddha achieved enlightenment by his own means so you can to. Think of Christ or Mohammad as sort of essential proxy to facilitate this experience of belief. I think that was their religious genius – to understand that the thing that would take us out of ourselves was present within us. The thunderbolt had already taken up residence.

  7. Jon
    Monday March 30, 2009 at 4:41 AM

    By the way, you red a translation of the quran, and reading a translations doesn’t mean you red the book.
    Note, the same words carry different meanings, in different languages.

    • Monday March 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM

      Jon,
      You’re absolutely right. And, I’m assuming you haven’t read any of the comments, because this is exactly what Kay and I were discussing here.

      While this is an astute observation, what I seem not to understand is how God could have missed this not-so-slight detail. Why reveal His Word in written form if this precise problem crops up in interpreting words? If He could create the Universe in all of its glory, couldn’t He have made The Qur’an in different editions? One for each language? That isn’t difficult to do.

      This might be the mark of a smart guy, the putting together of thoughts in this manner (in written form); but not the mark of an All-Knowing guy. Unless He’s an All-Knowing monoglot.

  8. No_One_Special
    Tuesday August 11, 2009 at 5:40 AM

    Hm, It looks to me like you went into this with some preconceived notions, a biased opinion of what islam reperesents and what the quran is about.

    ” Everyone always talks about how martyrs are destined to have 72 virgins and whatnot…”

    So I guess you were expecting to find Allah calling people to violence, carnage, and murder. Didn’t find what you were looking for I’m sure. As a matter of fact, the Qur’an advocates quite the opposite.

    Also, your interpretation of certain verses was faulty, Islam does not subjugate muslim women, rather it gives them their own rights over their husbands, fathers, family members, and society.

    Also just to clarify one more thing, the women of Heaven that verse refers to are called Hoor-al-Ayn. They are NOT women from this life that you think will be a reward to men in the next life. They are created SPECIFICALLY for men of Heaven. They remain untouched in their mansions, waiting in paradise for their husbands (martyr’s, men who fear Allah, men who do good and attain paradise). They are a sepereate creation from the women of this life.

    I suggest you do a little more research on those verses you read, you need to really read in between the lines and have somewhat of a backround knowledge of the terms being used to better understand the Qur’an.
    It is easier to understand in arabic because you see the word “Hoor-al-Ayn” and automatically know it is referring to the “Women of Heaven” but with the english translation, it can be quite hard to differentiate.

  9. Friday August 14, 2009 at 6:50 PM

    I didn’t go into this with any expectations. I read the book as it was written, and as it was interpreted into the English language.

    Any ideas or preconceived notions which I went into this with were not particularly valid as I had understood them. Maybe if you’d read any of the other comments following this entry, you’d realize that I’m a little more open-minded than that.

    What I will address is your emphasis on how my interpretation seems to be inaccurate. I’m reading this in English, as interpreted to me by 2 different sources.

    I’m pretty sure a perfect God wouldn’t relay his ideas in a book. Especially in only 1 language, when there are thousands of languages spoken on the face of this planet. To me, it sounds like the work of humans. Errors in interpretation are an artifact, a flaw in using written language to communicate ideas across cultures. A smart God wouldn’t do things in that way. He’d actually tell people what he wanted them to know in their own language, in person.

  10. Azim
    Tuesday February 23, 2010 at 7:26 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBj227G7MNk here is a brief explanation to why it came in arabic

  11. Thursday September 2, 2010 at 2:52 AM

    I haphazardly came across this site while searching for discussions on the Qur’an and atheism and was astonished at your review. Though I whole-heartedly disagree with your overall assessment, the manner in which you approached it (in general) was, in my opinion, insightful.

    If I may, and please forgive me if this sounds like proselytizing or repetition in any way, I would like to recommend that you read the Muhammad Asad translation. As one who can understand the Arabic text, I would like to inform you that there are many translations of the Qur’an in English, and that one should rely on the translations used by most Muslims of that language. This would give you the best idea as to what Muslims believe and what the original Arabic test means. Furthermore, just like in English, there are Arabic idioms that when translated literally, can have a different meaning than that in the original language. When one says: “I hit the road”, those of us who’ve read the Amelia Badelia series in our youth, can remember how taking that idiomatic expression literally gives us a different impression of the actual act that is being done (i.e. travelling on the road).

    I know you were previously discussing with Kay about translations, but if you look at the languages in which previous scriptures were sent, none of them survived. Modern Hebrew has been reconstructed (and interestingly enough, utilized High Arabic to reconstruct it), and knowledge of the original pronunciations was lost over a thousand years ago. With regards to Greek, neither Jesus nor the apostles spoke Greek, so none of the conversations are exactly as were spoken. Now, one of the sciences in the Arabic language is (according to literal translation) Linguistic Rhetoric. Each and every verse in the Qur’an is filled with linguistic meaning that cannot be easily appropriated in every language. For example, the Qur’an leaves out some words at times while utilizing syntactical markers (tashkeel) in order to explain what has been left out. This could not be carried out in English, where word order matters. Furthermore, the various rhyme-schemes in the Qur’an, which utilize an plethora of vocabulary terms, could not be recreated in English given that our language was designed for prose rather than poetic deliverance. The Qur’an accomplishes this while retaining the ease of learning the Arabic (with approximately 50 words making up 60% of the Qur’an, in the same way that the words “the” “and” “but” “thus” etc make up our conversations).

    Furthermore, if it’s not enough evidence that 1.6 billion people in the world are Muslim despite the Qur’an being in a foreign language, and that the most knowledgeable Muslims scholars in the United States like Hamza Yusuf, Suhaib Webb, Zaid Shakir, Siraj Wahhaj, are all converts (or reverts) who after learning the Arabic language, have become so amazed at the manner in which God’s speech was transmitted through the Qur’an.

    “Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge and whose interpretation has not yet come to them…” (10: 39)

    And not all languages are aesthetically pleasing to the most number of people. Unless a study has been done, perhaps Classical Arabic, and specifically the recitation of the Qur’an, is the most pleasing to the most number of humans. We can never be sure. But, to claim that God was “not smart” for having sent the Qur’an in one language (as you stated at the end of your August 14th post) lacks evidence.

    To conclude, Muhammad himself stated: “The differences of opinion amongst you [i.e. the knowledgeable scholars] are a mercy from God.” The fact that parts of the Qur’an rely on interpretation through understanding the Prophet and his companions’ explanations allow for the Qur’an to be a living document. One that can withstand changes in humanity’s progress.

    One of the scholars (Muhammad Asad) said, regarding the verse in the Qur’an:

    “And mankind was not but one community [united in religion], but [then] they differed. And if not for a word that preceded from your Lord, it would have been judged between them [immediately] concerning that over which they differ.” – 10:19

    “Since, however, such a uniformity [in religion and culture] would have precluded men’s intellectual, moral and social developent, God has left it to their reason, aided by prophetic guidance, gradually to find their way to the truth.” – Commentary to 10:19, note 29 by Muhammad Asad

    In the end, God knows best. All we do is provide conjectures. Sometimes with evidence, sometimes without.

    • Thursday September 2, 2010 at 2:59 AM

      Corrections to the previous:

      Paragraph 1: *text rather than “test”

      Paragraph 3: “a plethora…”

      And for paragraph 4, “Furthermore, is it not enough…”

      I know that sometimes I’m put off by what people say when the grammar, syntax, or word-choice is off. Please accept this as an admittance and correction of any mistakes in my previous post.

  12. ex-atheist
    Sunday November 28, 2010 at 12:54 PM

    see how this book doesn’t work like a human mind…you clearly admitted in your post…but inspite of all the “absurdity” according to you, if you have read the whole Quran, you must have seen what kind of wisdom it has in itself….I like the article because atleast it was the first unbiased approach towards the Quran by an Atheist…the verse which you quoted btw which according to you and the translation you’ve read has the word “full-breasted” in it…trust me, it’s a gross translation. see: http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=78&verse=33

    you must have come across the verses with accurate science as well…

    I encourage you to read it again with a desire to understand

    jazakAllah khair

    • Tuesday November 30, 2010 at 6:07 PM

      Because a book may contain wisdom, this does not logically imply that it is therefore supernatural in origin. Many sacred books contain the equivalent of the Golden Rule, but this does not mean they are all written or inspired by a supernatural being. It’s just simply good advice, and it isn’t necessary that it come from a higher power.

      Also, I would add that the verses which appear to be, as you said, scientifically accurate are only so in a very vague and general sense. There have been scholars who have claimed that the Qur’an also describes the Big Bang, and that this was the first book ever to mention it.

      In cases like this, I try to point to the fact that no one believed that these verses spoke of the Big Bang until science discovered it. Then, these verses were retrofitted, rationalized post hoc, and only then was this “wisdom” revealed. It’s the same with Nostradamus and his “predictions.” The language is so vague and open to interpretation that you could make the words mean practically anything you wanted.

      I am looking into reading the Qur’an again, but with a different translation. Could you recommend any English translations?

      • Syidah Ain Vee
        Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

        http://voiceofquran.com/ebooks/002_The_Amazing_Quran.pdf Check this out. =) It’s a good read. Focus on trying to find out why the Qur’an couldn’t possibly be written by a man. =)

        Insya’Allah.. the more you question & get interested, the more you find out & come closer to finding what you may be looking for. =)

        • Syidah Ain Vee
          Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM

          Tell me your views here kayy? =) I wanna know.

  13. del morales
    Wednesday February 16, 2011 at 1:06 PM

    hmmm, i like what you’ve done, i know the best people to review the quran and the bible are the atheists.. why? because, i think they would be less/ not prejudice.. atheist wont glorify the other because in the first place they believe neither.. hahaha.. however as a christian.. the bible did not say that Jesus is or was God, there’s just some misentepretation… i know alot of catholics will say im wrong… remember constaninople, they made JC god by some law, im not a historian.. anyways, that’s one of many reasons y christianity is great, there are thousands (say hundreds) of people who study the bible and there are no (ok for the muslims less) contradictions rather only some inconsistent understanding of the text.. unlike the quran. but if im a muslim, can i criticize the quran? can i use a translated quran during jumaa? and remember even the prophet mohmd (pbuh) did not receive the “words” directly from God.. am i right?

    • JD
      Tuesday November 29, 2011 at 10:15 PM

      Prophit Muhammad recived these messages directly from God (Allah). and somtimes angle Jibraeel came to Muhammad (pbuh) with the message of Allah. this is called Wahi (in arabic). means to deliver a message directly into one‘s mind or heart without any sound.

  14. Monday December 26, 2011 at 2:07 AM

    TheSkepticalAtheist :
    As far as where the things you listed came from, we only have to look at what they are made of. The skies aren’t actually a thing, in themselves. They are the expanse of space above us.
    The animals, plants and trees are constructed with DNA, and their lineage can be traced back to a single common ancestor, and I came from my parents.
    I’d be curious to know where your god came from… because that is the ultimate point you are driving at. Something can’t come from nothing… except God. You’re willing to make an exception in that case – just not in anyone else’s.

    Can you prove that lineage…can you really track back milion years ago with certainty…you have hard time to beleive in concept of God but then you want me to beleive in tracking back you theory to millions of years ago….lolz….you need to really reconsider your theories …..i know you came from your parents …but can go all the way back and tell me who that single ancestor was …i need a proof …you give me hard core proof and ill follow you ….I want you tp show me that this single cell organism right here will turn into me one day or a human being,,,dont tell me that a single cell organism will take billions of years to adapt….Again your theory is a thoery but you say its correct….why cant God existence for me be correct ….

  15. nopetope@hotmail.com
    Thursday February 23, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    God(Allah) has a question to atheists:

    Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? The Holy Quran 52:35

    if you want to know the one and the only truth its here in The holy book on this website http://www.kuranikerim.com/english/m_indexe.htm when you open the website click numbers and the names to open
    and this

    http://www.beautifulislam.net/tellmemore/true_religion.htm

    and the miracles of the holy Quran is in this websites

    http://www.islamicmedicine.org/medmiraclesofquran/medmiracleseng.htm

    http://www.islam-guide.com

    http://www.islamcan.com/miracles/index.shtml

    • Sunday February 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM

      You’ve framed this question incorrectly. Being “created from nothing,” or being the creators aren’t the only options available. Humans didn’t just spring into existence. It was a slow progression to what we know as modern humans.

      Even if I were to grant you that humans were “created,” we’re still left with the same question you’ve posed, only I would be asking you who created Allah. You seem to be declaring that nothing can come from “nothing,” yet Allah has purportedly always been. You’ve violated your own criteria.

      Nothing can come from nothing except Allah? How can you believe that to be a consistent position? I prefer the answer “I don’t know” as opposed to a quick answer that isn’t correct.

  16. Syidah Ain Vee
    Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Wow.. this is one of the rare-est, most healthy-est, diversified discussion of religion I’ve seen so far. Kudos to you guys for being able to hold back vulgarities. =)

  17. Vay
    Tuesday April 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    My apologies for this abrupt interruption:
    What if God actually exists?
    Why not try and believe for a while that there is one, and is a supreme being?
    Lets just forget about religions and philosophies for a day, and really think that there is a God.
    Would this God try to guide us by sending messengers who are just like us, so we could understand better?
    What if God wanted to be shy and proud and wanted to test us to see really what our smartness was worth?
    What if God wanted to realize the moral values and give us a chance to prove ourselves?
    What if God was a jealous lover and wanted to test our love?

    I do not know the answer to all this, but I am going to give it a try just by not trying to find an easy way to answer my question, Perhaps if I tried I could understand something.

    • Saturday April 7, 2012 at 3:52 PM

      I can see what you’re saying. But, at the same time, I don’t consider belief a choice. I can’t choose to believe something when I’m convinced of a different point of view. For example, we can all agree that gravity works, that it pulls us toward the center of the Earth. We believe that it works. You cannot choose not to believe that.

      If you are convinced that something is true or not true, you can’t alter what you believe. If someone believes in God, someone else can’t convince them to change their mind. Only by discovering convincing evidence one way or the other can one come to believe one thing or another.

      This is why I have a problem with people saying that I should just “try” believing in God. I can’t choose to believe something if I don’t.

  18. Musa
    Thursday May 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    The Verses you quote are not correct. Pls readers get a Quran to verify the verses

    • Friday May 25, 2012 at 6:51 PM

      What is incorrect about them?

      • scott pawlicki
        Friday April 18, 2014 at 8:18 PM

        I have a thought for everyone on this blog. Lets forget for a moment if there is a God (which one – there can only be one and the others false) or the universe was created by accident. Now if you have a 5 year old daughter and wife you love with all your heart and soul and they are your system of belief and they one day are brutally raped and murdered. Or alternately you are single with no family and are burned horribly with 3rd degree burns on much of you body and you don’t die but suffer immensely. Now would you not want a hope and faith in a God that he will provide recompense for your wife and daughter or hope to get through the pain of a body in total and unrelenting pain?

  19. Passerby
    Thursday May 31, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Hey all, I’m glad I found this discussion, it was a very mature and informative read. Not that it really matters but a series of events and studying has led me to Islam. I understand the question of “why would God put it all in a book?” This may help understand, once again I’m fairly new with my knowledge and understanding but not one doubt crosses my mind anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbWlZf794JY

  20. Passerby
    Thursday May 31, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    Sorry. This one is informative as well and little less dramatic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhy25oitxwY&feature=related

  21. ledzeppelin
    Tuesday August 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Forgive me for my bad English, I am an Asian. My questions are pretty simple.

    If God as defined in Quran is perfect:

    {
    Why did he wait millions of years after the birth of human race to send his message? What about people before arrival of the books?

    He should have expected the problem of misinterpretation before hand, since he is knowledegable about the future.

    Why does he want people to worship him at all? Why does he need their obedience? What exactly is the purpose of creating the humans?

    There are still in remote areas of the world who never knew anything about Islam. How can God abandon them?

    If he has sent 3 books in 2 languages then obviously he prefered two tribes over the rest which is unfair.
    }

    There are many other books which are as good as Quran, if not what qualities of Quran makes it superior? ( To decide about this you must have read literature of all the religions. Clearly not possible for all. Especially when literacy rate was pretty low. )

    Why are women considered property of men? Does it not mean that women are made to trade their freedom for protection?

    If multiple wives is allowed then is multiple wives allowed under any circumstance? when is that?

    Slave trade and code of conduct with slaves is talked about several times in Quran. Why does God want one person to be dominated by another person?

    What new things are talked about in ‘the books’ that were totally alien to humanity before?

    Honestly, after reading through a fair bit of Quran and listening to a lot of people, I feel Quran is just another book which says ‘follow me blindly or i’ll punish you.’

  22. ledzeppelin
    Wednesday August 8, 2012 at 4:45 AM

    if multiple wives are allowed then is multiple husbands allowed? sorry that was a mistake in the previous post.

    • Nazrul Islam Khan
      Saturday August 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

      ledzeppelin…if you really want to know Allah, Islam, Mohammad, and muslims, you should go to faithfreedom.org. I hope you can find your answers to your satisfaction…

    • Rob
      Thursday January 31, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      Peace, there are several reasons, for example if a woman has more than one husband, how will they know who the father of her child is? I know we have DNA testing, but not everyone has access to that. Then we run to problems with inheritance, who gets custody if there is a divorce, etc. Overall though, one of the themes about polgyny in Islam is that it came to severly limit it, not promote it. Before Islam, men would have way more than 4 wives. The Qur’an limits it to 4 and says that all of them have to be treated equally. It is quite a financial burden to buy a seperate place to live for each wife, but that’s what being a husband in a polygamous marriage entails. And it also says that it will be impossible to treat them equally even if it is your ardent desire. So, the emphasis is on marrying one wife.

  23. thinker
    Thursday November 1, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    That’s horrible Nazrul. No Islamophobia please. We should be more open minded like this author. Ledzeppelin, if you want to know about islam, feel free to read around. http://www.whyislam.org/ . If don’t, then never mind.

  24. Fauzan hashmi
    Wednesday January 16, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    I did believed in god but a tragedy in my life made me realise that it doesn’t matter if their is a god or not I don’t care either way although I am curious as to what happens after we die,but if after death I am faced in front of god then I can tell you this much that between me and him that god will be judged and he will have to pay for all sins he did.

  25. Rob
    Thursday January 31, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Well, a few clarifications: The word ‘smack’ is grossly mistranslated. The word in Arabic is “yathribuhoon” which only means to tap. A Muslim husband is only allowed to do this once to his wife, and it must not hurt her. In essence, it is symbolic not physical. Also, a Muslim wife has many advantages over her husband that you did not mention. She does not have to spend what she earns on her husband; she can keep whatever she makes, as opposed to the husband who is obligated to support his wife. Second, the virgins in paradise are a special creation, they are not the believing women on Earth. The believing women on Earth are not slaves to men in Heaven. In fact, there are young male “youths” who serve everybody. The Qur’an is very clear that men and women will have the same reward. “Whoever does righteous deeds, male or female, will enter Paradise.”

  26. AB07
    Monday April 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Though I don’t share the same view as yours (mind you I am an atheist) but I found your review extremely informative and unbiased to a certain extent so thanks a lot.

  27. Azlan Khalili Shamsuddin
    Thursday June 6, 2013 at 6:12 AM

    Dear Atheist,

    I am pleased that you have made the effort to “read ther Qur’an”……I wish you all the best, and encourage you to learn more about Islam. I am the ONLY MUS:LIM in a forum between “Atheist versus Christians”….I invite you there, and all others to be the debate…

    Dr. Azlan Khalili Shamsuddin

  28. anan
    Saturday June 15, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Also note that there is a reason for the repetition of stories in the Qur’an and they are part of the Qur’an’s eloquent nature. The placement of each story has a unique purpose every time it is mentioned. As well, the Qur’an is not “random”. Verses were revealed to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) according to the circumstances at the time. It is not meant to be a storybook with a plot etc.

  29. ruby red
    Tuesday June 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    As an athiest woman from a muslim family living in a muslim cummunity I fail to see how The Quran gives women more advantages than men, Women are either property of their fathers/brothers/husbands and if neither is available; cousins who eventually become husbands. yes women are offered benefits but not rights, not to mention that women are often sexualized even their voices. and regarding the virgins in heaven although they are not earthlings, what does that say about God’s view on women in general? and more importantly why aren’t there male equivalents(of virgins) in heaven for believing women? It never says anything about that. Islam refuses to look at a woman as a whole, but half a person.
    And also Islam says that most of hell’s population are women… as a whole I think the Quran is a very misogynistic book, of course I’m not gonna go into this further because firstly this is only an opinion and should not personally offend anybody if they believe in freedom of speech, but there are many contradictions in the Quran even scientific errors. Also I as an evolutionist I know that the universe changes overtime and I really doubt that a book written 1400 years ago can solve every problem that pops up as we evolve, and infact it never did alone there are various doctrines, also things called “sunnah”, “qias” and”ejmah” which are all assessments to the quran, if the quran didn’t have the answer the above did. and they are not the words of God, only occasionally in “sunnah”.
    but if the quran was a timeless perfect book why would it need assessments?

    • ruby red
      Tuesday June 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM

      spelling correction: atheist.
      I’m doing this via iphone excuse my grammar mistakes.

  30. R Manjra
    Saturday June 29, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    A very interestin read indeed.readin through da1st half of ur analysis wud make me believe ur a muslim.however i’d lyk2knw which translation of the Quran u’ve read.from my point of view,ur concerns (contradictions) as u say, plus much more in answered in detail.jus go 2 http://www.ifri.com n c how intrigued u’d b.Also 1has2understan dt da Quran is written in such eloquent arabic dt even arabs need2study da language2undertan it as al arabic dialects r derived4m da arabic grammer of da Quran,think shakspear4english.da Quran has2b read with the tafseer(commentary) coz it ws revealed over a period of abt 23years.ever notice hw da Quran confirms many truths of da bible however does nt conform wid its scientific errors?unlike da bible the Quran is nt a ‘story’ book bt is referred2 as’signs’ for men of understandin. Ur welcome2contact me on gmanjra@gmail.com 4further conversement shud u wish.

  31. Mohd Nor
    Friday July 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    So many say women are teated as property in Islam.
    Islam tells women to cover themselves and only expose themselves for their husbands -they must obey their husbands just as they obey their parents .Islam tells women not to commit sexual acts out of marriage. Thats the teaching of Islam from the very caring Almighty God,Allah.
    Look out everywhere today at women who are not Moslem. Most/majority of them(sorry) live like animals , involving in sexual acts in multiple partners ,clubbing,not to mention lesbians and homosexual – plus drinking alcoholics ,partying and allow themselves to become ‘property’ in the eyes of all to see.
    To cut it short , how to tell if you are in the ‘true’ religion with the ‘true’ God ?
    The true God asks you to do good and prohibits you from all immoralities(such as alcohol and pre-marital sex) etc.
    It may be seen ‘backward’ by all but in order to please your loving God that doesnt matters , as long as we do good deeds in this world which will be rewarded when we die.
    Peace to all.

  32. Mohd Nor
    Friday July 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Read the bible.
    Islam acknowledged Jesus(pbuh) as a prophet just like Muhammad(pbuh).
    Pbuh = Peace be upon him.
    Jesus fasts…Islam does , do you ?
    Jesus worshipped God ,why worship him and NOT his God ?
    Lastly , Jesus was circumcised , all Moslem do …do you ?
    Think.
    Peace to all.

  33. Ahmed
    Monday October 21, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    What about the scientifc facts written in the quran ? How prophet muhamed could describe these facts by himself 1400 years ago?

  34. me
    Wednesday December 4, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    I think you are one Atheist I’ve seen whom I believe is really seeking truth.

    To find God, you have to connect with him through faith. Prayer is your way. Speak to God and believe in your heart that Jesus (Love) is the way to him.

    I don’t know about you, but I have been spiritually awakened in every sense. it is hard to describe without experiencing. I know that I had to be “aware” of “Jesus” before I became exposed to his Love. He is very real to me today, much more than ever before. The greatest thing about Jesus is that his love changes people. Today, I am more forgiving, more loving, more peaceful, more tolerant, because of the Love of Jesus in my heart. It is like drinking from a spring of water that has no end. He takes over your life, and you just want to hug everyone. I hope this helps. I do not subscribe to religion because it simply is dead without faith. To find God, you have to connect with him through faith. Prayer is your way. Speak to God and believe in your heart that Jesus (Love) is the way to him.

    I think of Jesus as the personification of Love. Love is not simply a physical or emotional “feeling”, it is a spiritual reality of God’s nature. His nature is that all things be in harmony, and work according to his plan. I believe that everything physical has a spiritual manifestation first before there is a physical.

    Spirit beings, bring life to the physical realm. I believe the phenomenon of consciousness is the biggest indication of a spiritual realm that cannot simply be experienced within our physical bodies. Think of dreams as a manifestation of consciousness that occur when your body is not physically experiencing the same reality. Human beings are not simply physical bodies, we are consciousness (spirit), and we all originate from somewhere. That somewhere is God. The body is simply a “house” or “temple” for the spirit. The physical body was certainly created from the same physical substances present in the universe like you rightfully said. It is ok therefore to question the existence of God when there is no indication of an actual experience “with God.”

    The concept of being “born again” however is one of faith. All humans are born separate from God (sin), Spirit life is needed to gain “God consciousness.” We may know of God from books, or even from our natural environment, but to intimately be “conscious of God”, we need faith. An understanding of Spirit life begins when we accept Jesus into our heart. Jesus is the personification of absolute unconditional love. I call him the name Jesus, because that’s the name the Bible called him when he walked on earth, but his name is actually “the word.” (John 1:1). His life is one of complete love, absolution and submission to God. His Gospel is to turn from sin and Love your neighbor unconditionally. This feat is absolutely impossible for man to do because we are inherently flawed, so when we accept him, he equips us with himself (the Holy Spirit). This Holy Spirit literarily lives inside of us within our own spirits and enables us to fully live the fullness of God’s spiritual reality; however we cannot make our confession of knowing Jesus, or accepting his spirit without having faith.

    TheSkepticalAtheist :
    Atheism is actually a lot older than what you claim. While the term “atheist” may be relatively new, not believing in a supreme power is hardly a new idea. Look back to the time of the ancient Greeks, or the writings Plato. Plato specifically mentions those who disbelieve in gods in his book “Laws,” and he was born around 428 BCE.
    So, your information is factually incorrect. We can assume that if Plato had dedicated sections of his writing to those who disbelieve, it was something which was around for a long time before, as well.
    What I’m curious to know is how you arrive at the conclusion that “it is so logical” that there is One Ultimate God. How can you demonstrate this?

  35. Shabab Khan
    Friday December 13, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    Hello GodKillzYou,
    You may be the only one in all of what we call the internet who has taken a truly respectful and peaceful approach to this; most people turn this into fierce arguments full of fallacies, and this happens from both sides, Atheism and Monotheism. My sincerest congratulations!

    There is much hate in the world and we could do without this hate. As a Muslim, we are told that our duty is to inform people of our religion and after completing our duty, we are asked to respect peoples’ beliefs (although it is my understanding that there are Muslims too who cannot get this concept of respecting others’ beliefs through their heads). Thank you for reciprocating this respect .

    I really do wish the rest of the world took a similar approach that you and the commenters took; indeed, the world could have been much more ahead in terms of peace and reconciliation.

  36. Huxen Rashyd
    Thursday February 27, 2014 at 9:57 PM

    How about things mentioned like future events before1400 years…and things like human biology is mentioned in details whilst it’ll need microscopic to know that….

  37. f
    Monday March 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM

  38. f
    Monday March 17, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    This video will provide you with all the conformations you are asking for.

    May Allah enlighten you and show you the right from the wrong. Ameen

  39. f
    Monday March 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    This is the story of English man who converted to Islam.

    For those who are asking about what will happen after we die, you can watch this video it will give you the necessary information(There are two parts, I have listed both of them):

  40. F
    Monday March 17, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    May of the links i posted earlier have not shown up, so i am trying again and posting one more link to see if it shows up.
    HOPE IT DOES

    http://www.tellmeaboutislam.com/index.html

  41. F
    Monday March 17, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    The above link is one of the best I have com across, hope it helps all those who seek for an answer.
    Ameen !

  42. g
    Tuesday March 18, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    -

  43. f
    Tuesday March 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM

    Why are my posts not showing up?

  44. d
    Thursday March 20, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    d

  45. rusty thompson
    Friday April 25, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    Hi, A few thoughts. 1st,so u know, I choose to believe God, but not the church, they have doctrine not as God does, The Truth. My whole faith rests on John 3:16.
    Also, we have human logic (HL),which is powerful, but God has Quantum Logic (QL) – or greater – which is much more powerful. Scientifically, the H. brain has Quantum capabilities, I suspect we use such channels when we talk to God.
    God said to Paul, My power is made perfect in weakness, this confounds HL, but explains the submission to the will of the Father unto death,of Christ Jesus This sacrifice was req. by God,QL,for the expiation of the disobedience of Adam & Eve in the gard. of Eden.
    Islam & Christianity, only one can be true. They both come from the same origin, Abraham, ie,
    Isaac & Ishmael.
    More to come. Regards Rusty.

  46. Abdullah
    Thursday May 1, 2014 at 3:56 AM

    i saw a comment written on top, An Athiest (Me) Reviews the Quran,
    such a liar you are!
    firstly you can’t read the entire Holy Quran in few weeks and secondly you have written that in Verse 4 of Holy Quran 35-38 Allah has ordered men to Smack Women,
    here i post what is written in Holy Quran with its original arabic words:
    “35. Then, if they submit to you, do not look for excuses to punish them: note it well that there is Allah above you, Who is Supreme and Great. And if you fear a breach between spouses, appoint one arbiter from the relatives of the husband and one from the relatives of the wife. If the two sides sincerely desire to set things right, Allah will create a way’ of reconciliation between them, for surely Allah knows everything and is aware of everything.
    [36-38] And all of you should serve God and associate none with Him; and show kindness and affection to your parents, and be kind to near relatives, and to orphans, and to the needy; and be considerate to your neighbors kinsmen and strangers and to the companions at your side62 and to the wayfarer and to the slaves in your possession. Believe it that Allah does not like such persons as are self~conceited and are niggardly and bid others to be niggardly, and conceal the bounty of Allah that He has bestowed upon them;63 We have prepared a disgraceful chastisement for such ungrateful wretches. And Allah does not like those who expend their wealth to be seen of people, for they do not believe sincerely in Allah and the Last Day. The fact is that whoever has Satan for a comrade, has a very evil company.”

  47. Wissam
    Sunday May 4, 2014 at 2:33 PM

    I am from Pakistan and I am a non believer. I don’t know why people blind themselves in case of religion. In my environment there are a few people who fall into my category. I had strong points to not to believe. Anyways, feeling great after reading your article as there are people out there who use their mind.

  48. danish raza
    Thursday October 2, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    i want a anwser of big bang. What was the reason of big bang if we have made by any bacteria than who makes the that?

    • Thursday October 2, 2014 at 9:33 AM

      These are two different questions. In terms of a “reason” for the Big Bang, I don’t know. That is something we are still trying to understand. What we do understand is that the fundamental forces that govern our Universe came out of the Big Bang. By understanding that energy and mass are two parts of the same equation, we know that the energy from the Big Bang “cooled” and became the fundamental particles that make up our Universe, thus coalescing into matter.

      As to your question about bacteria, this is dealt with in biology, and not the sciences dealing with the Big Bang. Abiogenesis is the study of how life came to exist from non-living matter. There are plenty of places you can look to get an understanding of how this came to be. I am not an expert, but have to rely on what the experts have come to understand through exhaustive study.

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